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sptan
12-12-2006, 01:56 PM
Hi, I realised that I had post my questions in a wrong column previously so I repost now, appreciate someone could give me an advise:
I am in the process of preparing all my documents to be submit for skill assessment to ACS. I have been working in the IT field for the past 10 years and my work experience ( 8 years) was listed in the MODL list (specialising in Oracle)

My questions are :
1) I had my employer reference letter signed and dated on Nov 8,2006 but I just had all my work related certificates ( including university certificate) certified as true copy yesterday ( Dec 10, 2006) , will one month difference become an issue to my skill assessment application ? should I request my employer to prepare a new reference letter with latest date ?

2) How much information should I include in my education history ? I had one year of American Transfer Program ( twinning program) in a local college in my country ( Malaysia) and 2 years in one of the University in United State major in Computer Science. Do I need to include the American Transfer Program (but I can not find any certificate for this , I had lost them as that was almost 13 years ago, the only evidence was in my Universitiy transcript that mentioned the name of that college), Should I include my A level and O level certificate or can I ignore them ?

Thank you.

rgds,
SP

CrazyDeveloper
12-12-2006, 08:42 PM
i sptan
man i have following email communication with ACS regarding ur issue for MODL in Oracle. I am including the all mails with this replies , it will clear ur issues regarding it.
Cheers
Hasan

On 11/22/06, Reception < assessment@acs.org.au> wrote:
Hi Hasan,
It could be any of one list of Oracle specialist you mentioned.
Regards,
Skills Assessment Support Officer
Australian Computer Society
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Hi
Thanks for so fast reply. I have one more query regarding the Computing Professional - specialising in Oracle Code: 2231-79. Since Oracle is very vast , it involves many job Roles like Database Administrator, Application Developer,Web Administrator,E-Business Applications Technology Administrator,Oracle Application Functional consultant,Oracle Application Technical Consultant. So now my question is which of the above Oracle skill(s) ACS requires so that it makes a Computing Professional as Oracle Specialist.
Regards
Hasan

On 11/21/06, Reception <assessment@acs.org.au> wrote:
Sir,
It is not necessary to provide an Oracle certificate to be awarded MODL in Oracle as this will be assessed based on work experience alone.
To qualify for MODL, you must have a minimum of 12 months, full time, ICT relevant work experience at a professional level in the are of MODL that you wish to apply for (in your case Oracle).
Regards,
Skills Assessment Support Officer
Australian Computer Society

CrazyDeveloper
12-12-2006, 08:44 PM
sptan bcoz of space restriction i m continuing my email communication with ACS with this post.
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Hi Sir
I heard that to claim point on MODL , it is the ACS requirement that one shlould provide the Formal Certification(like Oracle certification e.g OCP) with the proof of experience in the designated skill. So please clarify me regarding this issue. I have the expert level experience in oracle but no certification so should i go for oracle certification to support my case for claiming MODL points.
Regards
Hasan

On 11/20/06, Reception < assessment@acs.org.au > wrote:
DIMA have a list of specialisations that are included on the current MODL list.
Please refer to DIMIA's web site for the current list.
MODL is only awarded when the applicant has demonstrated that they have met at least 12 months of full-time work experience specifically in one of the categories.
For the ACS to assess you suitably for MODL, we must have a detailed and descriptive employer reference that supports your claims for MODL.
Please note that we can only determine MODL from experience. This means that we will not consider you for MODL based on your study.
Those applying for a re-assessment will not be considered under MODL. You will need to lodge a new application.
We are unable to advise your chances of qualifying for MODL. We will not define exactly what experience is required for MODL
For more details about our process, please visit www.acs.org.au/skills
Regards,
Skills Assessment Support Officer

CrazyDeveloper
12-12-2006, 08:46 PM
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From: assessment@acs.org.au [mailto:
Sent: Mon 20/11/2006 12:38 AM
To: Reception
Subject: Skill Assessment: Web Enquiry Form Hadi
Salutation: Mr
First name: Hadi
Last name: Hasan
Reference No:
Nature of Enquiry: Other
Details: Hi I have a 4 years BS degree in computer Science with 6+ years of post degree professional experience in Software Development using Oracle and Microsoft Tools. Currently i am working on Oracle Applications 11i (ERP).I checked MODL list and Oracle exists on MODL list (Computing Professional - specialising in Oracle Code: 2231-79). o what documents and proof i need to provide to ACS in order to get the occupation code 2231-79 (Professional - specialising in Oracle). Well my BS degree and the certificate from my company which shows i am working on Oracle is the enough proof? or additionally i need to provide oracle certification from Oracle Cooperation. Regards

sptan
12-13-2006, 02:46 PM
HI Hassan,

Thank you so much for your information. That really clear my doubt.

Wish us have a successful assessment :)

rgds,
SP

CrazyDeveloper
12-13-2006, 04:20 PM
Hi
well dude SP u r welcome anytime, by the the way in tools and technology u r working in oracle and at which position??
Regards
Hasan

sptan
12-13-2006, 04:40 PM
Hi Hassan,

Well I was hired as an Oracle database administrator in the current company (I use to be a Oracle developer arround 7 years ago), but from time to time I have to get involve in varies project, such as Siebel , SAP, and other customise application which are using Oracle. I also need to perform data mapping, scripting using PL/SQL, unix shell ,and some SAP command in those project.

So I am not sure if I will be qualify for the MODL, as you know database administrator fall in 2231-11 (Systems Manger) but I guess my role are more than a pure DBA.

I am still worry if I m not qualify for that MODL poin. :(

rgds,
SP

CrazyDeveloper
12-13-2006, 06:04 PM
Hi SP
Well man me currently working oracle EBS 11i and my whole invloves the oracle. Well before i used work as as the Senior Application Developer using oracle development tools from Developer 2000 till oralce 9i developer suite. Well as u can see in mails i asked them about Oracle Application Developer they said it can one of any from list i provided them in my list (Database Administrator, Application Developer,Web Administrator,E-Business Applications Technology Administrator,Oracle Application Functional consultant,Oracle Application Technical Consultant), so now if on the employer letter if u describe ur DBA role hopefully u will get MODL. But i am also clueless on this what specfically they need in oracle to get MODL. Since Applicatoin Developer Category is not in 2231-79 but as per the ACS officers's reply ib my mails its seems that we can calaim MODL. So thing are bit contradicting each other. Also when in my next mail when i speicfic write to them my actual job role then replied me back that they dont do Pre-assessment.
So any of the guyz here on the board can put some light on it.
Cheers
Hasan

CrazyDeveloper
12-13-2006, 06:54 PM
Well refer to my last mail which i sent them and see the reply i got
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Currently i am working as Senior Software Engineer.I got expert level experience in Software Development using Oracle Technology. Briefly my job responsibilties are:


Designs, develops, and deploys new applications from initial ideation to implementation. Development is done mainly using Oracle Development Tools like Oracle Application Server (OAS), Oracle Developer/2000 and Oracle iDeveloper (including Forms6i and Reports6i), SQL*Plus, SQL*Loader, Browser/Query Builder, Oracle Discoverer, Designer/2000 with Oracle Databases 10g,9i,8i

Gathers, documents, and interprets user requirements and breaks them into development tasks across multiple systems.

Participates in design, development and implementation of infrastructure projects, such as redesigning existing systems.

Prioritizes and implements enhancement requests.

Recommends solutions to complex business and technical problems.

--------continues till in next post

CrazyDeveloper
12-13-2006, 06:54 PM
Balances and prioritize multiple concurrent projects effectively.

Owns project development estimates and timelines.



So let me know on this basis of above responsibilties can i apply for MODL??



Regards

Hasan

CrazyDeveloper
12-13-2006, 06:56 PM
And finally this is the mail they haven't reply me back ever, so u also inquire them about this. Send them this mail. They might reply u
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Hi
Well as you mention in last mails that Oracle Application Developer could claim for MODL(ASCO code 2231-79). But when i checked the document ( https://www.acs.org.au/assessment/docs/Current_PIMGuidelines.pdf (https://www.acs.org.au/assessment/docs/Current_PIMGuidelines.pdf)) on ACS website . The section on page three contain following details
1.9. Information Communication Technology Professionals (nec) ASCO 2231-79 1.9.1. This residual group covers occupations in Unit group 2231 Computing Professionals not included in occupations 2231-11 to 2231-21 or 1224-11.
1.9.2. Specialisations:
Computer Analyst
Computer Scientist
Computing Tester
Database Analyst
Local Area Network (LAN) Controller
ICT Consultant
Data Modeller
ICT Lecturer

CrazyDeveloper
12-13-2006, 06:59 PM
Technical Writer
ICT Supervisor
Systems Specialist
Technical Support Officer
Senior Service Engineer
ICT Multimedia Specialist
Other Specialist ICT Personnel So if we check the above list the Software Engineer or Application Developer ,Database administrator,Applications Technology Administrator etc is not inlcude , but as the matter of fact they are most demanding job role in Oracle.
Kindly clarify me on this issue (regarding MODL points).
Regards
Hasan

sptan
12-14-2006, 11:15 PM
Hi Hassan,

I did write to ACS :

Details: May I know if oracle database administrator fall under Systems
Manager(2231-11) or can it be consider in 2231-79 (specialising in oracle) to
claim for MODL points ? I was hire as Oracle DBA but I have involve in various
project that require oracle skills incluidng scripting, oracle setup, SAP,
Siebel, etc, can I claim for MODL point ?

and ACS reply:

You can apply for MODL under 2231-79.

MODL is only awarded when the applicant has demonstrated that they have met at
least 12 months of full-time work experience specifically in one of the
categories.

For the ACS to assess you suitably for MODL, we must have a detailed and
descriptive employer reference that supports your claims for MODL.

Please note that we can only determine MODL from experience. This means that we
will not consider you for MODL based on your study.

We are unable to advise your chances of qualifying for MODL. We will not define
exactly what experience is required for MODL


For more details about our process, please visit www.acs.org.au/skills

CrazyDeveloper
12-15-2006, 03:13 AM
Hi SP
gr8 man , so now u should concentrate on the format of ur letter, wish u all the best for assessment. Anyways i mail them again regarding the Oracle Application developer. Keep me updated man.
Regards
Hasan

sptan
12-15-2006, 11:36 AM
Hi Hassan,

Please keep me update once they reply you too , all the best to you.

cheers,
SP

sunil_maddirala
12-15-2006, 02:45 PM
Hi,

please find my responses to your questions. I know am putting it very generic but that's what I would do. cheers - Sunil


My questions are :
1)

If you can get the reference letter again, well and good and if not, that's fine as well. I think it is quite understandable that we get things done at different times before lodging the application.


2)
As for as I know, for ACA assessment, it's more of your experience letter (with as many details as possible) and your academics (university degrees) that are important. The rest are all not that significant. In this case, you don't have to worry about twinning program. Also, A level and O level certificates...as long as they are from a recognized body, then I suggest you to go for it.

Thank you.

rgds,
SP[/QUOTE]

sptan
12-15-2006, 03:13 PM
Hi Sunil,

Thank you for your comment.

cheers,
SP